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Post by Fire Fox on Nov 4, 2010 11:32:23 GMT -5
Yeah, we did. But so has everyone. Which reminds me, I was thinking the other day: We grow up and get to look back on great artsists like Van Halen, or ZZ Top, or >insert band here<. OUR kids though, have to look back to...Beiber. Makes my skin crawl. HE is like our current greatest musician. Just...geh... Anyone have anything else to add? |
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Post by Dark Shadrio DSfied on Nov 4, 2010 19:28:33 GMT -5
Oh, don't even get me started with Reggaeton... that music is a product of hell. It makes brains cry. It promotes bitchiness and EVERYONE loves it. FUCK SOCIETY.
But if there's one thing I love it's fat (obese fat, not plump fat) , young people. Not only do they look awesome, but they weight more and therefor need more gifts on their birthday than a lighter person does. I may be a lazy, sedentary bastard, but when I see that my stomach is increasing in size, I feel happy. Those beautiful people make me unable control my body, which is constantly saying "Eat more, you fatty!"... Weak minded fool.
And this:
EDIT: This Post was made before I noticed it was in the "Music" Board... >_>'
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Post by Shock on Nov 5, 2010 19:57:59 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad you feel that way Shadrio! I'm happy to see how much you love fat people. Now go get me some cake. It's mah birthday, ya know!
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Post by Dark Shadrio DSfied on Nov 5, 2010 21:55:20 GMT -5
Hehe, I guess I'm a bit douchey about that.
I wonder why I was so angry the day I posted that (yesterday?). And no, I wasn't drunk. I think I was pissed off at my teacher? idk *throws cake at everyone's face*
Anyway, let me be on topic, specifically, music.
It's going down hill fast. I currently only listen to old music or videogame music. The rest has no rhythm. Just take out the lyrics in most new music today, the rhythm bores the eff out of me. I'm not saying that all music is like this, I can still enjoy a good, 21 Century metal or rock every now and then...
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Post by Shock on Nov 6, 2010 12:15:03 GMT -5
Is OK. But I was being real about the birthday thing (Well. Mostly. 26th, but still) Well what music DO you listen to that is boring and rhythm-less? Some is complete bullshit, but alot is not. Or, flip that: Alot is complete bullshit, and some are not. I'd quite recommend Otep, for some crazy-awesome metal. Poetry in song form at it's best. And screaming. Besides that, for some...idk what genre, but Say Anything is awesome. Max Bemis is a great singer. A recommended song: www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7rYZjv3wNgI'm quite a fan of most things. Why be limited to genres if it's good music? My taste goes from heavy metal to pop. Though country is just...no. And I live in the south, so i really fuckin hate it. Metal, as said, My favorite is Otep. She has a great styling, and can scream better than anyone else I've heard. Her and Lacy Mossly from Flyleaf both sing fantastically. I'm not much for the hardcore gangsta rap shit. Lupe Fiasco does a nice job, along with a few others. Gnarles Barkley, or Cee-lo (Fuck You: www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU) are great. Oh, and A Perfect Circle. Fuck awesome. But, My main point and reason for thread is that we have the great drummers or guitarists from last generation, but the next few will have those, but dubbed over with crap, and redone into pop bullshit. It's just...sad. |
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Post by Fire Fox on Nov 6, 2010 22:55:14 GMT -5
Evanescence (Amy Lee makes me wet in multiple ways, and since I'm What The Butthole that's saying a lot. I like the fact that she uses Piano in a lot of her songs because you don't normally hear it.), Metallica, Otep, A Perfect Circle, Tool, Puscifer (Maynard is practically a god.), Three Doors Down, Flyleaf, Paramore, Pearl Jam.
I'm not too much of a fan of rap myself. However, I've seen a small few instances where it's done VERY well and pleasable to listen to. I just can't remember any right now.
Anyway, I see what you're getting at Shock, and it is sad. People will be raising to fame based soley off of auto-tune. If you're a techno singer or going for that type of sound, then that's fine, but I fail to see the reason everyone and their dog has to use it. OH WAIT! It's because most people who use it can't SING! Or they just plainly can't make a living with their voice alone.
It's unfortunate that this movement of music is going more and more to the super dubbed even when the musicians have talent.
Take Lady Ga Ga for example. IF you look Back when she was Stefani Germonatta, you would see that she actually has some serious talent, but I'm guessing she couldn't make it as an artist that way, so... *Poof* the Monster Queen is here.
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Post by Shock on Nov 7, 2010 16:15:48 GMT -5
Evanescence (Amy Lee makes me wet in multiple ways, and since I'm What The Butthole that's saying a lot. I like the fact that she uses Piano in a lot of her songs because you don't normally hear it.), Metallica, Otep, A Perfect Circle, Tool, Puscifer (Maynard is practically a god.), Three Doors Down, Flyleaf, Paramore, Pearl Jam. I'm not too much of a fan of rap myself. However, I've seen a small few instances where it's done VERY well and pleasable to listen to. I just can't remember any right now. Anyway, I see what you're getting at Shock, and it is sad. People will be raising to fame based soley off of auto-tune. If you're a techno singer or going for that type of sound, then that's fine, but I fail to see the reason everyone and their dog has to use it. OH WAIT! It's because most people who use it can't SING! Or they just plainly can't make a living with their voice alone. It's unfortunate that this movement of music is going more and more to the super dubbed even when the musicians have talent. Take Lady Ga Ga for example. IF you look Back when she was Stefani Germonatta, you would see that she actually has some serious talent, but I'm guessing she couldn't make it as an artist that way, so... *Poof* the Monster Queen is here. Ah, yes, Amy Lee is brilliant. And thats...lovely to hear Fox. Some Autotune though can be done good. Example: Autotune the News - Barack Obama Kick-Ass Song, and pretty much anything done by melodysheep: Symphony of Science. Brilliant science songs, using Carl Sagan and other ppl (<.<) Fox, we MUST Meet. Like, we Both like the same shit (Otep FTW!), and we fucking look like each other. One of these days, man. And get on MSN. Like, sometime today (sunday) before 8pm (4:15pm as I type). For that matter, what's you IM shitz Shadrio? |
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Post by Fire Fox on Nov 7, 2010 22:27:43 GMT -5
Evanescence (Amy Lee makes me wet in multiple ways, and since I'm What The Butthole that's saying a lot. I like the fact that she uses Piano in a lot of her songs because you don't normally hear it.), Metallica, Otep, A Perfect Circle, Tool, Puscifer (Maynard is practically a god.), Three Doors Down, Flyleaf, Paramore, Pearl Jam. I'm not too much of a fan of rap myself. However, I've seen a small few instances where it's done VERY well and pleasable to listen to. I just can't remember any right now. Anyway, I see what you're getting at Shock, and it is sad. People will be raising to fame based soley off of auto-tune. If you're a techno singer or going for that type of sound, then that's fine, but I fail to see the reason everyone and their dog has to use it. OH WAIT! It's because most people who use it can't SING! Or they just plainly can't make a living with their voice alone. It's unfortunate that this movement of music is going more and more to the super dubbed even when the musicians have talent. Take Lady Ga Ga for example. IF you look Back when she was Stefani Germonatta, you would see that she actually has some serious talent, but I'm guessing she couldn't make it as an artist that way, so... *Poof* the Monster Queen is here. Ah, yes, Amy Lee is brilliant. And thats...lovely to hear Fox. Some Autotune though can be done good. Example: Autotune the News - Barack Obama Kick-Ass Song, and pretty much anything done by melodysheep: Symphony of Science. Brilliant science songs, using Carl Sagan and other ppl (<.<) Fox, we MUST Meet. Like, we Both like the same shit (Otep FTW!), and we fucking look like each other. One of these days, man. And get on MSN. Like, sometime today (sunday) before 8pm (4:15pm as I type). For that matter, what's you IM shitz Shadrio? Oh I'm not saying that auto-tune can't be done well. On the contrary, it can be done magnificently! I'm just saying that people overuse it. lol Also yes... meeting would be interesting. lol Then you could make me a bunch of Avatars. Oh and we could ponder on what to do, since my Wii sucks ass. I guess I could go to you. XD Eat the children...rawr... Eat the children... rawr... Also wow Shock, you really fucked up Shadrio's post. LOL THAT WE PEE'D ON. |
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Post by ~~~~~~~Spitfire on Nov 14, 2010 16:54:57 GMT -5
I'm going to say that autotune removes the essence of vocals. It's like considering guitar hero to be a legitimate instrument. I regard autotune as being as musical as a drum machine, it has a tune, it has a rhythm, but it's still fake. Autotune is like plastic surgery for music.
What I'm finding great in music right now is Puscifer, A Perfect Circle, Tool, Otep, Sublime, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica, Pearl Jam, and too many others to list without research of my iTunes and Pandora history.
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Post by Lucia on Nov 14, 2010 17:23:50 GMT -5
There's such a fine line between fake music and fake art. I've seen a person manipulate MS Paint and create the Mona Lisa. Does that mean that what this person created is fake just because he used a paint program to do so? Link > www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU real interesting stuff. Not to go off topic, but it's relevant. Since people can create music "easier," is it considered fake? I believe it depends on the perspective. Someone who can create good(there are many degrees.) music through computer programs probaly would think it's fake (because they can do it with ease.), but someone who creates music through an instrument might not. (Vice versa) It's hard to create good music that can hold up to the sound coming from real instruments with a computer program. It simply depends on whose perspective we're looking at. |
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Post by ~~~~~~~Spitfire on Nov 14, 2010 17:49:50 GMT -5
There's such a fine line between fake music and fake art. I've seen a person manipulate MS Paint and create the Mona Lisa. Does that mean that what this person created is fake just because he used a paint program to do so? Link > www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU real interesting stuff. Not to go off topic, but it's relevant. Since people can create music "easier," is it considered fake? I believe it depends on the perspective. Someone who can create good(there are many degrees.) music through computer programs probaly would think it's fake (because they can do it with ease.), but someone who creates music through an instrument might not. (Vice versa) It's hard to create good music that can hold up to the sound coming from real instruments with a computer program. It simply depends on whose perspective we're looking at. Visuals through computer graphics can be considered art because you actually have to create them yourself. I don't consider any of my sigs art because it's just someone else's image ran though filters and some lines drawn. Autotune essentially does this, it's not something you create, it's something that filters a bad vocalist into what is technically notes. If I drew a graphic and developed it into a work of art, as Arena Net does, I'd be creating something artistic. However if I just sang something and ran a filter on it, I really didn't do anything artistic. I have the exact same disdain towards Drum Machines, because they are the same concept. There's no soul, it's all automated calculator sounds. |
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Post by Lucia on Nov 14, 2010 19:05:35 GMT -5
The character represented in your sig may or may not be your own, but I believe the elements you added to the sig itself, are art. They represent some type of creation and interpretation.
It’s what you do with the materials you are given that determines falseness or not. If I simply plagiarized your sig and called it my own, it would be false. But if I had asked for permission to use your sig, and had skillfully manipulated it into my own interpretation, and made it exactly what I think it should be, would that not be considered art? Depends on the amount of dedication I put into it in my opinion. A single filter would not suffice for it to be called my own work. I would have to put a large amount of work in order to call it mine.
In many of the cases around this forum, the sigs are more along the lines of collages. The sigs aren't just the creator's own art, but they still manufactured the sigs into what the creators thought the requesters wanted them to be.
It is an art to mold something into your interpretation of it.
For Autotune to sound good, it needs to be worked with diligently, and the same goes for drum machines. If these tools were used as starting points and then given an individual and original edge to the final creation, effective music would be made. It’s like having a drum kit. You are given drumsticks and the kit itself, and possibly a book that gives you some practice beats to learn with. You master those beats and begin to start making your own interpretations of them. Soon enough you have developed your own style, and although it may slightly mimic what you started with, it’s still being reflected through you.
A lot of the time however, this isn’t the case. People do not branch outside the set defaults, and it’s really sickening to hear.
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Post by ~~~~~~~Spitfire on Nov 15, 2010 1:42:24 GMT -5
Alright I've phrased my opinions rather sloppily.
Autotune itself, obviously, is not art, as it is just a program. The only "art" would be the vocals sung.
Now my issue with autotune is that it takes someone with no talent and makes them sing. I'm a drummer, which is partially why I take offense to drum machines, and I would consider being able to just whack on drums randomly to not be an art. Now suppose I had this program that made my uncoordinated thrashing into a rhythm of sorts. Would this now become art?
I relate this to vocals, if I myself, having a laughable singing voice, sang some lyrics without even attempting to properly make it musical, it would be a joke. Then I run my song through the computer and boom, instant tune. I have trouble finding the art in this.
I would be surprised if there is a single vocalist out there, who is in fact an artist that creates music for the expression, no the money, that would choose to use autotune to filter their vocals. To spend time and effort recording on my drums, only to have a machine "fix" my sound, would be an awful waste of time.
So basically, if it sounds like crap before autotune, it's still crap after autotune. And if it sounds great before autotune, why deface your creation by letting a computer scramble your voice?
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Post by Lucia on Nov 15, 2010 20:10:38 GMT -5
I think art can be the process from which something is created and not just the final creation itself.
As for the drum machines, it really depends on whose perspective you're looking at. If "your sound" is as you want it to be, then by all means keep it as an expression of yourself. But if someone else can whack away at a kit randomly or by using a computer, and mold it into their interpretation of what they want, then whose to say that isn't an art? Well, in my opinion, it really depends on the amount of work you put into it. Clearly, if the person didn't put in a substantial amount of effort on the final product, it would sound very mediocre, as most of the products of drum machines and autotune do.
It takes a lot of skill to be able to play drums, and it takes a lot of skill to be able make drum machines sound original and pleasable. (in my opinion.)
The thing is, people who can't sing and use autotune... you can tell the difference between someone who can sing and that use it. Some people want to express through autotune what they normally wouldn't be able to because they want a feeling of techno or some such, but a majority of the time that is not the case... The main problem is that people overuse it, and don't go into enough depth with the tool.
This is closely related to electronic instruments. I personally, love the sound of a grand piano, but on the other hand I love the sound of a good electric one. I would probably use them both in different circumstances depending on what type of piece I was trying to create. Does that mean that the piece I created with the electric piano is less artistic than the one I did with a grand piano? It depends on the sound I was trying to express through the piece I have created.
It's such a fascinating topic to me. And we haven't even scratched the surface. Like how many interpretations can be very similar, but yet at the same time very different. Such a vast world we live in.
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Post by ~~~~~~~Spitfire on Nov 18, 2010 13:41:04 GMT -5
I've never heard of a good vocalist using autotune. I've only seen it used by people who are in the music industry for the profits. Personally I think it sounds horrible, but that's not why I dislike it so much. I'm just tired of all the Tpain's of the world; talentless, uncreative, and flourishing in what should be an exclusively artistic genre of entertainment.
The sound generated from Autotune or a Drum Machine is one of perfection, devoid of all soul. I see art as something that should be an expression of a thought or emotion through an artistic medium. So I find music generated by a computer, including any form of drum machine or autotune to be nothing more artistic than guitar hero.
Electric piano's I find as legitimate as electric guitars. Unless you do something weird and sample premade music loops, you're still playing the instrument, so it's a great way to use an electronic enhancement, rather than just rely solely on the computer to make music for you. Unlike autotune or drum machines, electric pianos and guitars are still instruments to be played, not just clicking and volume sliders.
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Post by Lucia on Nov 19, 2010 22:26:38 GMT -5
So you dislike autotune because of all the bad artists that use it? (And horribly might I add.) It's the other way around for me. I dislike all the bad artists that over use autotune and that don't expand off of any type of creativity. Not autotune itself.
I suppose I'm coming from the geek point of view. Anything that's unique, original, good (In my opinion), and is made by a person using the computer is artistic to me because a lot of people cannot masterfully do so.
Also, Guitar Hero? Guitar Hero is an art in it's own form as well, but not the same type of art as the one you're comparing it to. Scripting that game was probably an intensive and horrendous amount of work, and the final creation is absolutely incredible.
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