3DS+

[Fire Fox]

With the new 3DS coming out soon... (And with it coming a hefty price of $250...) It looks to be a really nice system. The games I've seen in a few videos look awesome. The 3D aspects of the handheld looks promising with it's adjustable 3D option, and the features of the 3DS are still making me drool after watching the official tour of the 3DS. Still, that price tag is a heavy burden to carry...
So...

Let the 3DS discussion begin!

[Dark Shadrio DSfied]

The 3DS may be awesome as shit... but I don't have the money for it right now, and many of the launch games are mehing. I'll either buy it for my birthday or wait for a price drop/"3DSi".

As for the games, I really, reaaaally couldn't give a shit about OoT3DS. While that game is a great game, it's so damn overrated, a la FF7 or Super Mario Galaxy (another game that is great but not as much as fans say it is). StarFox 64 3DS actually looked awesome in the 2D screen shots I've seen, I can't wait to actually buy the game and see the 3D. 4 other games I'm interested in are:
- Kid Icarus: Uprising (game trailers showed how awesome it looks like)
- Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater 3DS (I've played MGS1 and 2, and my brother owns nº4. The only one I don't have access to is nº3)
- SSFIV (I need another fighting game that isn't SSB >_>)
- "Paper Mario 3DS" (It's freakin' [Paper] Mario!)

As far as I know... I kind of wished that Pokemon Black and White would have come out for the 3DS... I just hope that Pokemon Grey comes out for the 3DS, with upgraded shit, at least visually

[Fire Fox]

See I'm excited about OoT on the 3DS for a number of reasons. For starters, I haven't played OoT in a very long time, and I don't feel like downloading a ROM for it. The second reason is because it looks like it had a graphics update. Sure, not a very big one, but I haven't played it since N64. It's a great classic game to be remade. But since I haven't actually done a lot of researching into it, I can't say how much of an improvement they did Graphics wise. I just hope that it's enough of an improvement to make the game feel crisp and new.

Overrated games and underrated games mean nothing to me. I've personally played games that were on both sides of the spectrum, and although sometimes my opinion sided with the general population, there are a number of times that it didn't. The general public is just too wide of an audience to fit to MY tastes.


Paper Mario looks really nice. Kid Icarus... Well I haven't played a Kid Icarus game since the old Gameboy version. lol The new Animal Crossing looks nice, and so does the Nintendogs.

[Dark Shadrio DSfied]

I guess I worded myself wrong, I meant that I found that the game is overrated, because I like the game, but others just love it too much. I wasn't talking about how "Society finds X game overrated, so Shadrio finds game X overrated, too", but instead "Game X is loved a lot by society, and yet while Shadrio finds game X great, Shadrio doesn't believe everyone should love and constantly use game X to compare to game Y or Z".

Eitherface, the reason I'm meh'd on OoT 3DS is because while I enjoyed the first time I played it, playing it again was a drag. The only LoZ game I've played multiple times and enjoyed each time is Wind Waker (it happening to be my first LoZ, so yeah). And the Water Temple was so freakin' easy, idk how everyone has nightmares with it x-D

As for the Kid Icarus game, from what I've seen, it's supposed to be a huge deviation from what the old, Metroid-like platformer that it used to be. And from what I've seen, it's a very welcomed new game.

[Shock]

It's a graphics update, with them being slightly above the one that was in the Collection on the Gamecube (with Master Quest). Beyond that, it has a remastered inventory using the bottom screen. So need boots, just click the boots. That, and I think you can write stuff on the map, so that's useful. Like in the DS Zeldas. Anyway, personally I prefer Majora's Mask. No other game I think really instills the same sense of dread that MM did. The constant reminder of the moon in the sky makes it an excellent bit of pressure, as annoying as the time-traveling gets.

And yes, it's awesome. And while no pokemon games have been announced, the 3DS does have a virtual console (although only for the GB+GBC currently), allowing you to play through Red+Blue+Yellow again (even though I'm sure you've done that a kabillion times).

My favorite feature is that you can pause and do other things while in game, similar to the 360/PS3. So You can go check the guide online or write some notes (yay for a notepad finally) without needing to leave the game. I'm also interested in how the AR feature will be used in the future. Currently it's kinda not so great (although still nice), but I can SOOOO imagine a line of pokemon cards using this feature. Pikachu sitting on your desk? Hells yeah. Though I'd probably shoot for something more fiery.


Also, not 3DS related, but there is a new new kirby game for the Wii. Not Epic Yarn. He makes fire dragons from his face: aol.it/hG7q81

[Fire Fox]

Jan 24, 2011 23:19:37 GMT -5 Dark Shadrio DSfied said:

I guess I worded myself wrong, I meant that I found that the game is overrated, because I like the game, but others just love it too much. I wasn't talking about how "Society finds X game overrated, so Shadrio finds game X overrated, too", but instead "Game X is loved a lot by society, and yet while Shadrio finds game X great, Shadrio doesn't believe everyone should love and constantly use game X to compare to game Y or Z".

I'm saying that I base my opinions of a game based on actually playing it for myself. Whether or not people find it good or not doesn't matter to me. I know what you're saying though. There are LoZ OoT extremists who swear by the game. The interesting thing is that I bet you they couldn't even give you a single well-thought reason why it's a good game. That's why I don't take much from public opinion. It's too faulty. lol

Jan 24, 2011 23:19:37 GMT -5 Dark Shadrio DSfied said:

Eitherface, the reason I'm meh'd on OoT 3DS is because while I enjoyed the first time I played it, playing it again was a drag. The only LoZ game I've played multiple times and enjoyed each time is Wind Waker (it happening to be my first LoZ, so yeah). And the Water Temple was so freakin' easy, idk how everyone has nightmares with it x-D

OoT and Wind Waker are so incredibly different... If I had played WW first I probably would have the same view as you do. WW's quirky art style and story line are just AMAZING.

Also... I'm curious if anyone's played Starfox 64. How is it? I really liked Assault. Staying in a Cockpit seems so... restricting.

[D.A.N.]

The way I feel about handhelds right now is...

I'm not buying anything that has 3-5 hour battery life. My brother's got the 3DS and it's pretty sweet, and the game lineup in the future is very good. The Vita has lots of potential but both of them are missing the appeal for the hardcore gamer that is going to play long sessions due to their pandering to graphics whores.

[Fire Fox]

Oct 17, 2011 22:45:01 GMT -5 D.A.N. said:

The way I feel about handhelds right now is...

I'm not buying anything that has 3-5 hour battery life. My brother's got the 3DS and it's pretty sweet, and the game lineup in the future is very good. The Vita has lots of potential but both of them are missing the appeal for the hardcore gamer that is going to play long sessions due to their pandering to graphics whores.

It seems like that's what Nintendo has been trying to go for with their past few products. Not so much the "pandering to graphics whores" but the whole anti-hardcore gamer issue. Take Brawl for example, they clearly didn't want the game to be competitive and used for tournaments or anything other than general gaming fun (which it does so wonderfully well.) To me, it seems like Nintendo is sliding for more general gamer type games/systems. Which, I mean, I don't have much time to play Video Games anymore, so I don't mind. However, being a hardcore gaming veteran, I can sympathize with you.

[D.A.N.]

Oct 18, 2011 2:28:46 GMT -5 Fire Fox said:

Oct 17, 2011 22:45:01 GMT -5 D.A.N. said:

The way I feel about handhelds right now is...

I'm not buying anything that has 3-5 hour battery life. My brother's got the 3DS and it's pretty sweet, and the game lineup in the future is very good. The Vita has lots of potential but both of them are missing the appeal for the hardcore gamer that is going to play long sessions due to their pandering to graphics whores.

It seems like that's what Nintendo has been trying to go for with their past few products. Not so much the "pandering to graphics whores" but the whole anti-hardcore gamer issue. Take Brawl for example, they clearly didn't want the game to be competitive and used for tournaments or anything other than general gaming fun (which it does so wonderfully well.) To me, it seems like Nintendo is sliding for more general gamer type games/systems. Which, I mean, I don't have much time to play Video Games anymore, so I don't mind. However, being a hardcore gaming veteran, I can sympathize with you.

That's a good point.

The thing that always confused me about their changes to Brawl was that Nintendo failed to understand that the game is played competitively in a 1v1 Stock match setting with no items on. It doesn't matter how good you are, Brawl is played casually with 4 players, usually in time matches, with items on and no amount of skill, combo ability, wavedashing, etc. is going to give someone a significant advantage in that environment. There wasn't really any need for tripping or the hitstun changes. It is in a very strong sense, the only fighting game that can be developed for the hardcore while still keeping the true fun elements of it alive.

That said, I'll probably cave on the 3DS even with it's current battery life next year if a new model isn't announced within that summer. I don't expect and don't think anyone should expect a 3DS Lite. The reason Nintendo could do it with the GBA and DS before was because the sales were like hotcakes filled with crack.

[Fire Fox]

How about a 3DS XL? lol I cracked up after seeing that get released. The only reason I got a DS Lite was because my mom wanted to use my old one ALL the time. That being said, I'm still happy with my Lite to this day. Though, I do wish I had the increased WiFi Range that "apparently" (so I hear) the DS XL has. My sources may not be very legit in backing up that claim however.

What ever happened to the DSi? Or is the DSi the DS XL?

Also on the topic of Brawl, yeah I don't know what Nintendo's reasoning behind the tripping and hit stun changes was. It's almost like they strictly didn't want the game to be used for any type of competitive play AT ALL. Which, that whole anti-competition argument is really faulty. I mean seriously, the fact that Melee made such a mark for competition should've been thought of as a good thing to Nintendo, but for some strange reason it wasn't. If they had capitalized on the competition (but yet including ways of being just a generally fun casual game to play like it did.) Nintendo would've probably raked in a larger amount of sales. In general, it probably could've expanded their range of casual players and hardcore ones. Also, I'm talking outside the hardcore players that Nintendo already had. If Brawl had gotten enough strength behind it's competitive aspects, it could attracted a hell of a lot larger variety of players. (Not to say that this didn't happen with Brawl, but it would've been larger in my opinion.)
And I'm sorry, there are very few fighting games with huge competitive aspects that were added strictly for BEING a competitive game that you can't play on a casual level. (I personally can't think of one, but I'm sure there's one out there somewhere.)
So overall, the comments that the game was simply focused on casual gaming just feels like such a cop out to me. Like they used it as an excuse to get away from actually having to put in the time to balance the game more effectively.

Yeah, that's my rant about Brawl. Not to say that I don't absolutely ADORE the game because I do. But.... UGH.

[Dark Shadrio DSfied]

For your competitive Brawling needs: balancedbrawl.net/

Strangely, I find Melee 1000x better than Brawl for item/casual fights. Set items to the highest probability in Melee, and the screen is filled with items. Set items to high in Brawl, and you'll be lucky to have 5 items out at the same time.

[Fire Fox]

Oh sweet thanks Shadrio! I was actually looking for that place recently since my Wii is fixed. (Partially the reason I came back here. In case any of you were wondering.)

Also, wasn't there reveal that a Smash Bros. game would be on the 3DS? Or was that just Jack's shit?

[Dark Shadrio DSfied]

3DS and WiiU

And more like Iwata saying "Hey guys! Remember how Sakurai said SSBB was going to be the last SSB game? Well, one day we twisted his arm and made him yell out for mercy. We only let go until we made him promise (AKA sign a contract) that he'd make a...

SMASH BROS. FOR 3DS AND WIIU.

We'll leave a bin on the way out for your money, so you don't have to throw it at the stage".

[Fire Fox]

SSB's a cash cow. I'm sure they didn't have to try very hard to get him to do it. He has a huge variety of resources to work with ( like the entire Nintendo Universe + 3rd Parties now.)

[D.A.N.]

Keep in mind that Brawl was announced in 2004, wasn't unveiled until 2006, and wasn't released until 2008. Development on the 3DS and Wii U Smash games hasn't even started, and quite frankly given the tech of the Wii U and the disk space, I don't expect a Smash game on that system anytime soon.

[Johans Nidorino]

Oct 17, 2011 22:45:01 GMT -5 D.A.N. said:

My brother's got the 3DS and it's pretty sweet, and the game lineup in the future is very good. The Vita has lots of potential but both of them are missing the appeal for the hardcore gamer that is going to play long sessions due to their pandering to graphics whores.

Seconded.

[Dark Shadrio DSfied]

@d.A.N.: Oh, that's a given. According to what I remember, there was going to be some sort of interaction between the Console version and the Portable version that I can't remember now. But whatever, Sakurai's got years to himself with that game. I just hope they don't announce it too soon, as I feel that the fan rage SSBB was getting before it came out for all its delays kind of made some things feel rushed or that could have been better.

I hope there also some way for players to mod the game (sort of what Brawl hacking is, but without the illegal part). Some modders do some things in hours or less (like the more accurate Fusion Suit) and others in days (like Smooth Criminal Dancing Bipedal Brawlers) and they all deserve recognition. Some could even bought like in a personal, optional DLC, part of the money going to the modder, so said person can get something out of what they did.

Another thing that interests me for the future SSB is actually something that's going to be for the next Mario Kart on the 3DS: Communities. It's pretty much self explanatory why. Too lazy to explain, I've typed enough for now.

[Fire Fox]

Oct 24, 2011 23:22:12 GMT -5 D.A.N. said:

Keep in mind that Brawl was announced in 2004, wasn't unveiled until 2006, and wasn't released until 2008. Development on the 3DS and Wii U Smash games hasn't even started, and quite frankly given the tech of the Wii U and the disk space, I don't expect a Smash game on that system anytime soon.

Thank you for summing up my time on forums. lol

2004: Joined SBO.
2006: Was extremely active on it.
2008: Holy shit. It's Brawl. *Ditches Maplestory*

But yeah, it's pretty much a given that the process is gonna take a large amount of time. My hope is that it actually takes longer because the longer they take, ultimately the better our results are going to be. (Assuming they have their priorities in the right place.)

This flows nicely into my conversation with Shadrio. (At least the first part of it.)

Oct 25, 2011 21:39:35 GMT -5 Dark Shadrio DSfied said:

I just hope they don't announce it too soon, as I feel that the fan rage SSBB was getting before it came out for all its delays kind of made some things feel rushed or that could have been better.

For the amount of time that we waited, we didn't get nearly enough of a result. So yes. I agree with you. Again, not saying Brawl is a horrible game, I love Brawl very much, but if you tally up the time that we waited and pit it against the actual results we got, it was a bit of a downer. I understand that games have faults and that I may look like a PO'd fan boy (which I am to some extent. I'm not gonna hide it,) but seriously, if you looked at Brawl on a standard game level, it has a lot of small errors strewn all over the place. Is this a result of being rushed? Well it certainly would be a good answer. Now is that our fault? No.

I'd much rather have a game company tell me that the game will be released "When it's ready" than to have them say "Oh it's ready! Wait nevermind. *Delay*" I know this can happen, but come on, be a little more sure before stirring up the public.

Oct 25, 2011 21:39:35 GMT -5 Dark Shadrio DSfied said:

I hope there also some way for players to mod the game (sort of what Brawl hacking is, but without the illegal part). Some modders do some things in hours or less (like the more accurate Fusion Suit) and others in days (like Smooth Criminal Dancing Bipedal Brawlers) and they all deserve recognition. Some could even bought like in a personal, optional DLC, part of the money going to the modder, so said person can get something out of what they did.

As cool as that would be, I don't see it happening. No matter how good or professional a modder is, I really doubt Nintendo would allow anyone to be paid for a revision of their original work. (Assuming the modder didn't start from scratch.) Actually, I don't know any large business (Or a single artist. Whichever.) that would allow that kind of thing to take place.

Maybe if the modder made the work completely by himself, I could see it happening, but the number of people that can do that is limited compared to the amount of people that would just play it. So adding a specific aspect JUST for that seems kind of unlikely.

Then again, Nintendo does seem to be slowly moving into the age of customization. But if anything were to be added to SSB, it would probably be some type of basic character editor/creator.

Oct 25, 2011 21:39:35 GMT -5 Dark Shadrio DSfied said:

Another thing that interests me for the future SSB is actually something that's going to be for the next Mario Kart on the 3DS: Communities. It's pretty much self explanatory why. Too lazy to explain, I've typed enough for now.

Aw. Now I have to go and research the next Mario Kart. Communities? *Finds*

*Edit*
Ah ha! Hello! Server style. Now THAT would work spectacular with SSB. Omg.